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| Marc |
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:50 pm |
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| John Carpenter really went down the tubes in his later years. Kinda like Friedkin, Bogdanovich, Lucas, Coppola. |
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| Rod |
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:53 pm |
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| Yes, a lot of that generation burned out badly and sadly. But Carpenter between Assault on Precinct 13 and They Live is a lively and rich a body of work you can name. Fifteen good years in Hollywood is as much as one can often expect. |
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| jeremy |
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:56 pm |
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jeremy wrote: Halloween has a lot to answer for.
A similar argument could be made about Halloween and how it chaged the horror genre as is often made about the impact of Star Wars and Jaws on mainstream American cinema. Without Halloween we may have been spared Jason vs Predator. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:08 am |
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Quote: Fifteen good years in Hollywood is as much as one can often expect.
unless your name is Scorsese, Spielberg or Eastwood. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:09 am |
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Rod wrote: Halloween, nearly thirty years later, is still the bomb. Put together with the skill, poise, and refinement of great furniture, a triumph of fluent minimalism that does an extraordinary amount with very little. Its strongest quality is that like Michael Myers himself, the film is gleefully vicious in humour but not sadistic. I was, this time, the teasingly black humour that is woven into the very structure of the film; observing with special care how cleverly Carpenter keeps from revealing his murderer is a child at the start, and how he tempts to droolers in audience with PJ Soles' tits but does not show them until she's being strangled.
I was reflecting especially on a distinct quality it borrows from the '50s monster flicks it pays tribute to is the way it contrasts the free-and-easy suburban evening, seeming enevloping in its friendliness even (or especially) with the walpurgis-lite mood of Halloween, with real danger; in that way it most clearly evokes the original The Blob & I Married A Monster From Outer Space, where teens inhabit the night fearlessly as their space, the time they can sneak out, make out, have their own lives unsupervised. And it's tapping into that real element and the atmosphere of mild paranoia that attends such escapades that makes such films work, and specifically made Halloween such a perfect model and crucial success. Yes, it did pinch, and to a certain extent de-intellectualize, work by Bava and Argento, but it replaced this with a network of references and ideas of its own.
Another take on the film I become more sure of is that it's a celebration of geek power, rather than puritanical morality. Buffy the Vampire Slayer and sidekick Willow both owe a lot to Jamie Lee's Laurie Strode. Laurie might not be getting laid, but that just means she's not so distracted that she doesn't pick up on the warning signs that combust around her. Nerds rule. The End.
Good post, very much on target. Don't completely agree with the Buffy comment, but don't completely disagree, either (Buffy was never a geek; though for the first few seasons wallflower Willow could be considered one).
Carpenter says it's a story of repressed sexuality. To quote at length: "[The critics] completely missed the boat there, I think...[T]he one girl who is the most sexually uptight just keeps stabbing this guy with a long knife. She's the most sexually frustrated. She's the one that's killed him. Not because she's a virgin, but because all that repressed sexual energy starts coming out. She uses all those phallic symbols on the guy...[The other girls are so] interested in their boyfriends [that] they're ignoring the signs. She's aware of [them] because she's more like the killer, she has problems. She's uptight, a little rigid. She and the killer have a certain link: sexual repression. She's lonely, she doesn't have a boyfriend, so she's looking around. And she finds someone—him."
It's interesting that she's singing a love song ("Just the Two of Us"), as he's watching her walk away after she leaves the key under the mat to his house. Also, on the cover to the soundtrack (the album anyway, don't know if it's reproduced on the CD), there is a shot of the two of them sitting on a bed, kissing.
Interesting too that he never attacks children, despite the fact that kids are the only ones who know about him and tell stories about how he's out to get them. Danny Peary suggests he's still a child mentally, that he considers himself to be playing a game, and that he doesn't attack other kids because they are his peers. I think there's something to that theory.
It should also be mentioned that this movie ranks up there with The Day The Earth Stood still in terms of maintaining tension throughout the movie, despite nothing threatening really happening between the opening sequence and the closing ones. |
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| Rod |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:15 am |
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jeremy wrote: A similar argument could be made about Halloween and how it chaged the horror genre as is often made about the impact of Star Wars and Jaws on mainstream American cinema. Without Halloween we may have been spared Jason vs Predator.
Without James Whale's Frankenstein we might have been spared Frankenstein Meets The Wolf Man. You ken my drift? The horror genre is and always will be cursed with a disease of imi-monia and sequel-itis. |
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| Marj |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:18 am |
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Trish wrote: lady wakasa wrote: Marj wrote: PS. Cotten = typo.
Actually, I was only pulling yer leg. I don't know about those other unsavory characters.
And I haven't seen The Prestige, but I have seen The Illusionist, which was a C+/B- - which makes me want to see The Prestige a little less. (Even with David Bowie as Nikola Tessla.)
I liked The Prestige a lot more than the Illusionist - it was grittier and far more interesting
Oh, I so agree. Trish, I'm working and don't have a lot of time right now to really discuss the movie but I do have a question. I'm going to white it out so it doesn't turn into a spoiler. If the last illusion (The Tesla machine) produced a clone which dropped into the water tank, then where did Angier go and how did he get to the balcony. Also do you remember what happened to Root?
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| Rod |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:21 am |
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Marc wrote: unless your name is Scorsese, Spielberg or Eastwood.
I can't count Eastwood with other two, he's much older. But I was, when writing that earlier comment, pondering why Scorsese and Spielberg have survived so solidly. One answer is both have kept themselves working constantly; their muscles have never atrophied. Also, despite the big differences between them as artists, they've both displayed excellent instincts as when to do popular work and when to do personal work, keeping each in balance. And different situations too: Spielberg's very high, consistent level of success turned him into a force unto himself, where Scorsese accepted his occasional tickets back to the minor leagues with fighting grace. All this has equalled long, still vibrant careers. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:26 am |
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| Don't forget that both directors (though Speilberg for a much longer time) went through a bad patch in the 80's and 90's when they made terrible films. The amazing thing is that they could sink so low and rise again. Very life-affirming, actually. |
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| Rod |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:33 am |
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Must disagree with that wording Joe. I've never seen a terrible Scorsese film. Even After Hours, to my mind his most misbegotten film, isn't bad, per se.
But yes Spielberg did well to escape the noxious gas cloud of Always, Hook, and truth be told, Jurassic Park 1 and 2. The first two were trying to sustain the magical-whimsy of ET too long for a grown man and the second two shameless, witless money-spinners. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:39 am |
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| lets not forget the stinkbomb that was 1941. |
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| ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:40 am |
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| I'm glad to be a member/moderator of a film society that has a member that can actually feel Director's muscles atrophy. Good stuff. IMO, Francis oughta let Sofia flex her muscles more often. On third viewing, Marie Antoinette is creeping up near my top 3, my too, too solid three. Splendid filmmaking. |
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| ehle64 |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:42 am |
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Marc wrote: lets not forget the stinkbomb that was 1941.
Or Hey, Jude aside, well, Stanley, too. A.I. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:43 am |
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| Rod |
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:46 am |
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ehle64 wrote: I'm glad to be a member/moderator of a film society that has a member that can actually feel Director's muscles atrophy.
Catty prick. |
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