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| billyweeds |
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lady wakasa wrote: LOL! No love for that movie.
It's one of my favorites. Practically subterranean in its cluelessness. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:43 am |
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marantzo wrote: ... I've read Portrait a number of times. I've seen the film versions of both books......
I began that book as a devout Irish-American Catholic teenager, and finished it knowing that it was the beginning of the end for me and Holy Mother the Church. I'm not the first to say so, of course. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:02 pm |
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| The movie version of The Portrait of an Artist does not even approach the beauty of the book. The only good movie adaptation of a Joyce work IMO was The Dead. |
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| bart |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:29 pm |
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| The "any bad Irish films" comment was meant as hyperbole. Just means I've liked what I've seen of Irish film recently, which is really very little. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:36 pm |
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yambu wrote: marantzo wrote: ... I've read Portrait a number of times. I've seen the film versions of both books...... whoa....I didn't know there was a film of Portrait. I just netflixed it. An all-Irish cast, except for John Gielgud as the hell & damnation priest. Can't wait. Thanks.
I began that book as a devout Irish-American Catholic teenager, and finished it knowing that it was the beginning of the end for me and Holy Mother the Church. I'm not the first to say so, of course.
LOL...I began the book as an expellee from high school. I'd get dropped off by my father in the morning (he didn't know I was expelled) and I'd kill the mornings in my cousin's car reading. I picked TPotAaAYM at random off a bookshelf at my house. Not having the least respect for the Catholic Church, all the book did was bolster my opinion.
I'd never say that the two movies that were made of the two books were on an artistic par with them. They are a good representation of the work.
The Dead, is dead on in it's portrayal of the story. A great and ironic way for John Ford to exit.
The Dead is a short story though and a far more compact work to translate to the screen. Now that I think of it, the wife is a model for Molly Bloom. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:10 pm |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:55 pm |
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| Of course. Thanks Joe. And to your earlier query. I can't really say that I favour either of the two Joyce books that we've been discussing, but I think Molly's soliloque at the end of Ulysses is the greatest sustained piece of writing in the english language. Of what I have read. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:02 pm |
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marantzo wrote: Of course. Thanks Joe. And to your earlier query. I can't really say that I favour either of the two Joyce books that we've been discussing, but I think Molly's soliloque at the end of Ulysses is the greatest sustained piece of writing in the english language. Of what I have read.
It's certainly right up there, at least since Shakespeare and Coleridge's Kubla Khan. Though I also would put all of Pale Fire by Nabokov in the running. |
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| yambu |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:00 pm |
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Here's the very end of it:
"...I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. " |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:13 pm |
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| I never did get to read Pale Fire, but that would fit what I was saying. That's why I said sustained, because it's such a long, uninterrupted piece of prose (poetry?). When I first read it, I was reading it in math class. I figured I'd start the last chapter and get back to it late, but I was hooked.. 45 minutes later the bell rang and I was so pissed that I had to stop reading, (I read slowly), and go to the next class to finish it. I was stunned by what I was reading. What an ending to an unbelievable book that I just read without worrying about grasping everything, just letting my brain work that out on its own. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:17 pm |
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| I guess a lot of you have heard Mackenna's (sp?), (I'm not even going to try to spell her first name) recording of the Molly Bloom soliloque.It's magic.. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:40 pm |
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marantzo wrote: I never did get to read Pale Fire, but that would fit what I was saying.
Yes and no, if you mean that Pale Fire is a poem. In actuality, Pale Fire is an annotated poem, and all of it--poem and notes both--is dazzling. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:53 pm |
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| It's a novel, with a poem as the center piece. He's playing with form. It looks like an annotated poem, but it's actually a novel. I'm not crazy about it, but then I've never cared for Nabokov (great stylist; but I think it's all on the surface). |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:57 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: marantzo wrote: Of course. Thanks Joe. And to your earlier query. I can't really say that I favour either of the two Joyce books that we've been discussing, but I think Molly's soliloque at the end of Ulysses is the greatest sustained piece of writing in the english language. Of what I have read.
It's certainly right up there, at least since Shakespeare and Coleridge's Kubla Khan. Though I also would put all of Pale Fire by Nabokov in the running.
Hard for me to say if I put it up there with Shakespeare. And I don't put Coleridge with the Bard. But unquestionably it's one of the great pieces of English writing.
By the way, I've never watched The Dead in its entirety. Saw pieces of it on cable long before I read the story. Since then haven't wanted to watch it. I'm not denying its position as a great movie, or great summation of a career. There are just some literary works I want to see only as I see them in my mind. |
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| Rod |
| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:07 pm |
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| Oh shit it's too early in my morning for Joyce. |
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