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Befade
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:43 pm Reply with quote
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miracle negro

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Who says the term doesn't fit? Perhaps in the American psyche, he holds all the wisdom and dignity born of struggle and forbearance, he is an exemplar, a transforming figure


I remember in the early 60's before the hippie movement was born......intellectual guys would talk down about the bourgeois and hold blacks in high esteem. Black Orpheus was a fave film at the time......and Taste of Honey.....and A Patch of Blue.
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lady wakasa
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:15 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:
I remember in the early 60's before the hippie movement was born......intellectual guys would talk down about the bourgeois and hold blacks in high esteem. Black Orpheus was a fave film at the time......and Taste of Honey.....and A Patch of Blue.


Of those three, I've only seen Black Orpheus, but my take on the term "miracle negro" is that those intellectuals missed the boat. The slums of Rio during Carnaval (as depicted in the film) was a world that made individual blackness irrelevant because heterogeneity was the norm (I don't remember if everyone in the movie was black, or if it was a mix).

When this was first mentioned here, I immediately thought about Cry Freedom, which for all its talk about Steve Biko was the Donald Woods story (some deceptive marketing there).

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lady wakasa wrote:
Black Orpheus....The slums of Rio during Carnaval (as depicted in the film) was a world that made individual blackness irrelevant because heterogeneity was the norm (I don't remember if everyone in the movie was black, or if it was a mix)....
Everyone in the movie is black. In real life, the favelas of Rio also are all black, with its share of non-miraculous negroes.

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lady wakasa
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Then I should change to my original statement: that it was a world that made blackness irrelevant because everyone was black.

I thought (in real life) there was a lot of mixing, so that all sorts of skin tones were present.

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Considering something caled the the 'white gaze' as something analogous to the male gaze, it is easy to appreciate how difficult it is for white filmmakers to feature black characters who are not viewed in terms of the affect they have on the white characters.

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In The Devil Wears Prada, Anne Hathaway is pretty, and Meryl Streep is good as the she-devil, but unfortunately I could not get interested much.
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lady wakasa wrote:
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I thought (in real life) there was a lot of mixing, so that all sorts of skin tones were present.
in Rio and Bahia Province, where Afro-Brazilians are the heavy majority, there is an infinite variety of skin tones. It's what the US is going to look like in another couple generations.

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THE POPE OF GREENWICH VILLAGE - Awful. Geraldine Page, the hard-nosed mother of a cop, makes you think you're watching a great film, and Daryl Hannah isn't bad, but Eric Roberts is insufferable as the hyper-loony buddy to Mickey O'Rourke. These two could have killed the NY ethnic Italian schtick for a generation. O'Rourke can't seem to address his sidekick without laying hands on him. And the script....if I had written it, I would be all the time saying, "No, no!......They're ad libbing there."

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yambu wrote:
THE POPE OF GREENWICH VILLAGE - Awful. Geraldine Page, the hard-nosed mother of a cop, makes you think you're watching a great film, and Daryl Hannah isn't bad, but Eric Roberts is insufferable as the hyper-loony buddy to Mickey O'Rourke. These two could have killed the NY ethnic Italian schtick for a generation. O'Rourke can't seem to address his sidekick without laying hands on him. And the script....if I had written it, I would be all the time saying, "No, no!......They're ad libbing there."


That and Runaway Train turned me off Eric Roberts (although he's in the tv series Heroes and is neither particularly good or bad). About the only movie where I thought he was any good was The Coca-Cola Kid.

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Syd wrote:
yambu wrote:
THE POPE OF GREENWICH VILLAGE - Awful. Geraldine Page, the hard-nosed mother of a cop, makes you think you're watching a great film, and Daryl Hannah isn't bad, but Eric Roberts is insufferable as the hyper-loony buddy to Mickey O'Rourke. These two could have killed the NY ethnic Italian schtick for a generation. O'Rourke can't seem to address his sidekick without laying hands on him. And the script....if I had written it, I would be all the time saying, "No, no!......They're ad libbing there."


That and Runaway Train turned me off Eric Roberts (although he's in the tv series Heroes and is neither particularly good or bad). About the only movie where I thought he was any good was The Coca-Cola Kid.


you forget his sensitive turn in Raggedy Man as Spacek's young sailor/lover
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There's a movie titled To Heal a Nation, about Jan Scruggs, the man behind the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, played beautifully by Eric Roberts. It's only on VHS but is well worth seeing. Roberts is also excellent in It's My Party, an AIDS movie. Roberts has had a lot of drug problems, apparently, but is an intermittently fine actor. His relationship with his younger sister Julia is famously troubled.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:32 am Reply with quote
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Of those three, I've only seen Black Orpheus, but my take on the term "miracle negro" is that those intellectuals missed the boat.


Lady..........In the 60's it may not have been "miracle negro" so much as "negro on a pedestal" Black Orpheus showed white intellectuals a passionate black man. Passion was not in abundance in white suburbia at the time. Blacks were thought to be unafraid to express the "real human" stuff that whites surpressed. Fit in James Baldwin and Eldridge Cleaver.

Patch of Blue featured Sidney Poitier helping a young blind woman.
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:42 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
There's a movie titled To Heal a Nation, about Jan Scruggs, the man behind the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, played beautifully by Eric Roberts. It's only on VHS but is well worth seeing. Roberts is also excellent in It's My Party, an AIDS movie. Roberts has had a lot of drug problems, apparently, but is an intermittently fine actor. His relationship with his younger sister Julia is famously troubled.


He never became a "name" despite many acclaimed performances. Her sudden fame for doing almost nothing must rankle. I wonder if his difficulty maintaing control is what influences her to be keep such a firm grip on her own life and her career (fear of ending up the same).

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Befade
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:19 pm Reply with quote
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Can anyone help me with this? dvds I've been playing have been freezing towards the end and on special features even if I clean them. Is it my player? How long does a player last? If I need to replace mine......should I repair it instead or get a new one.......What's a good player to get?

Thanks
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Marc
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:30 pm Reply with quote
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befade,

have you cleaned the laser lens of your dvd player. If not, buy a laser lens cleaner at your local electronics store. If you decide to buy a player, this is the one to get:

http://www.oppodigital.com/

OPPO players can be easily modified (with the remote) to play all regions of DVD.
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