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ehle64
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:01 pm Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Jesus Camp said absolutely nothing that any self-respecting liberal didn't know backwards and forwards already. It was old, twice-told, and oversold.

I thought Snakes on a Plane was fun. Though as Marc pointed out, it probably was only fun with a ready-to-be-entertained audience.


Have you ever been sent to Vacation Bible School? Well, I have, and I was shocked at how much things have changed since I was forced to go as a child. So basically, I disagree with the whole post. SoaP was what it was, but after the fourth person had their privates attacked by some serpent, I turned it off and I probably would have walked out had I paid money for it.

Marantzo -- gracias, me amigo. But I'm sure more people would rather see Mr. Dean in his tighty whities.

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Befade
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:09 pm Reply with quote
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Agreed, Ehle does look great!

I knew you'd get it, Gary. Did you see the movie?


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Jesus Camp said absolutely nothing that any self-respecting liberal didn't know backwards and forwards already. It was old, twice-told, and oversold.


I know alot about fundamentalists, Billy......but I didn't know about this kind of child indoctrination: children speaking in tongues, crying in church, trying to convert strangers in bowling alleys, preaching at the age of 9. I agree with Gary.......I think it's child abuse. What's different about chaining a kid in a basement and teaching a kid not to think for himself?
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marantzo
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:20 pm Reply with quote
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Marantzo -- gracias, me amigo. But I'm sure more people would rather see Mr. Dean in his tighty whities.


Don't sell yourself short, Wade. And you got that "still alive" thing going for you.

I think I've told this story before, but I was sitting in the den of our house in '54 (I guess), listening to the radio and reading a Photoplay (I think that was the mag). I was reading a face to face article about James Dean and Dick Davalos who were in the just released East of Eden (not a great movie, but far better than the novel). I was reading the Davalos part where he was answering the question about how he felt about getting the role of the secondary brother as opposed to Dean's role as the main character, when the radio broke into it's broadcast with the news that Dean had been killed in a car accident. I hadn't even seen the movie yet, but Dean was already famous.
marantzo
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:23 pm Reply with quote
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No, I haven't seen the movie, Betsy.
Marj
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:07 pm Reply with quote
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Befade wrote:

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Jesus Camp said absolutely nothing that any self-respecting liberal didn't know backwards and forwards already. It was old, twice-told, and oversold.


I know a lot about fundamentalists, Billy......but I didn't know about this kind of child indoctrination: children speaking in tongues, crying in church, trying to convert strangers in bowling alleys, preaching at the age of 9. I agree with Gary.......I think it's child abuse. What's different about chaining a kid in a basement and teaching a kid not to think for himself?


I didn't know how far it was being taken either. And I agree Betsy. I do think this is child abuse. This is manipulation and psychological abuse of the worst kind.

And btw, my mention of Snakes on a Plane was only to make a point about Jesus Camp, nothing more.

Wade, I love seeing James Dean in anything. But I love your new 8 by 10. You look GREAT!!
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marantzo
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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What is this? Everybody gets an 8 by 10 and all I get is a stinking little picture on a business card.
ehle64
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:05 pm Reply with quote
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Y'all r just tew kind. I don't 'member that Dean story, Gary, thanky even if'n it were one of them thar repeats.

I have Blood Diamond, A Tale of Spring, and Infamous here and ended up watching television. *sigh*

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billyweeds
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:42 pm Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
What is this? Everybody gets an 8 by 10 and all I get is a stinking little picture on a business card.


I din' get nuthin'.
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jeremy
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:34 am Reply with quote
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Snakes On A Plane was halfway to being a trashy masterpiece.

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ehle64
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:29 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
marantzo wrote:
What is this? Everybody gets an 8 by 10 and all I get is a stinking little picture on a business card.


I din' get nuthin'.


I hain't seen yew.

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billyweeds
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:55 am Reply with quote
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ehle64 wrote:
billyweeds wrote:
marantzo wrote:
What is this? Everybody gets an 8 by 10 and all I get is a stinking little picture on a business card.


I din' get nuthin'.


I hain't seen yew.


Ah. For some reason I thought the 8x10 had been emailed.
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gromit
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:33 am Reply with quote
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Watched One Eyed Jacks (1961), the only film that Brando directed. A pretty good film, but somewhat uneven. In a few scenes Brando and Karl Malden shine. But other scenes seem like they could have used another take. The plot complications involving the two men gets a little melodramatic, and Brando's macho mumbling is a little silly at times. But the movie also has some punch as the two men circle each other and tell lies around each other. The women are underdeveloped creatures and largely work as plot devices.

Brando's first cut of the film reportedly ran 5 hours long, and the studio took it away and re-cut it.
Interesting how many famous people were involved with this project at one time but went uncredited (or had their contributions discarded).
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After buying the rights to the novel, producer Frank P. Rosenberg worked on the first draft of the script together with Rod Serling. Sam Peckinpah was then hired to rewrite it. A complex deal was then made where money earlier spent attempting to develop Louis L'Amour's novel "To Tame a Land" into a film was allocated for accounting purposes to this film, and Stanley Kubrick was hired as director. Kubrick fired Peckinpah and brought in Calder Willingham for more rewriting, but later Rosenberg fired him and hired Guy Trosper instead.

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Stanley Kubrick, who originally was slated to direct the film, wanted Spencer Tracy to play Sheriff Dad Longworth. Marlon Brando, whose production company already had Karl Malden on salary, refused to replace him with Tracy.

A Stanley Kubrick Western would have been interesting.

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marantzo
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:44 pm Reply with quote
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At the time the movie was being made, it was said that Kubrick quit because he couldn't get along with Brando.
Trish
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:24 am Reply with quote
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Watched The Good Shepherd last night and will use a word I never thought i would use in reference to this film (after reading reviews and what people i know had said about it)

Riveting!!! i loved it . It was 2 hrs and 40 min and I wanted it to go on - i wanted to know what happened to Edward Wilson and his family after the ending (which the film almost cruelly didn't show - I really thought there would be a written prologue at the end)

Matt Damon was excellent, in fact perfect for the role (even Jolie didn't mess it up)

I have to say though - It was ideal to see the film on DVD (and alone) - I paused, I rewinded, I used subtitles in parts and it all helped (especially initially). I really want to see this again - I may buy the film
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billyweeds
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:31 am Reply with quote
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Trish wrote:
Watched The Good Shepherd last night and will use a word I never thought i would use in reference to this film (after reading reviews and what people i know had said about it)

Riveting!!! i loved it . It was 2 hrs and 40 min and I wanted it to go on - i wanted to know what happened to Edward Wilson and his family after the ending (which the film almost cruelly didn't show - I really thought there would be a written prologue at the end)

Matt Damon was excellent, in fact perfect for the role (even Jolie didn't mess it up)

I have to say though - It was ideal to see the film on DVD (and alone) - I paused, I rewinded, I used subtitles in parts and it all helped (especially initially). I really want to see this again - I may buy the film


Thanks, Trish. I have the movie on my netflix queue but had seriously thought of removing it because everything I'd heard about it had made it sound so unutterably boring. But you have changed everything.
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