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Syd
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:30 am Reply with quote
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Crouton means exactly the same thing in French as it does in English, except they spell with a circumflex: croûton.

I was so busy getting the cedilla right that I missed the accent on François Bégaudeau's last name.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:40 am Reply with quote
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Syd...you may already know this, but a circumflex in French can denote an "s" in English...so in "crouton," the word became "little crust" in English. "Croute" means "crust." Another example: "platre" (circumflex over the "a") = "plaster" in English. Etc. Not always true...but often enough to help with decyphering word meaning.
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gromit
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:53 am Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
actually gromit, its not the actors delivery, its the quality of the sound recording.

I'm not very familiar with mumblecore, but I believe that it's not the actor's actually mumbling but rather low-budget films recording sound poorly. Perhaps some of both(?).

I realize the film you're talking about* had a good budget, but it sounds to me like mumblecore grows up to studio indiehood.

Here's what wiki says about mumblecore. The part about 20 somethings discussing their problems sounds like it fits the film you're talking about*.

* sorry I forgot the title.

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Mumblecore is an American independent film movement that arose in the early 2000s.[1][2] It is primarily characterized by ultra-low budget production (often employing digital video cameras), focus on personal relationships between twenty-somethings, improvised scripts, and non-professional actors. Filmmakers in this genre include Lynn Shelton, Andrew Bujalski, Mark Duplass, Jay Duplass, Aaron Katz, Joe Swanberg, Todd Rohal and Ry Russo-Young.[1][3]

The term "mumblecore" was coined by Eric Masunaga, a sound editor who has worked with Bujalski. Masunaga coined the term one night at a bar during the 2005 South by Southwest Film Festival, but it was Bujalski who first used it in an interview with indieWIRE.[2] The directors of the films are sometimes referred to collectively as "mumblecorps," as in press corps. Film journalists have also used the terms "bedhead cinema" and "Slackavetes," a reference to independent film director John Cassavetes.[2]

The IFC Center in New York City exhibited a ten-film series of mumblecore films in 2007, titled "The New Talkies: Generation D.I.Y."


"Slackavetes" made me chuckle.
I saw one film deemed mumblecore, but can't remember what at the moment. A set of Katz's first two films was around, but didn't sound interesting enough to buy.

Wiki also lists 20 mumblecore films:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumblecore


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Syd
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:54 am Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
Syd...you may already know this, but a circumflex in French can denote an "s" in English...so in "crouton," the word became "little crust" in English. "Croute" means "crust." Another example: "platre" (circumflex over the "a") = "plaster" in English. Etc. Not always true...but often enough to help with decyphering word meaning.


I knew that, but hadn't put two-and-two together for croûton. You also have Fête = feast (or party)
Côte d'Ivoire = Ivory Coast
Hôpital = hospital.

It works surprisingly often. There was a spelling reform where the silent s in a lot of words was replaced by a circumflex.

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Marc
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:31 pm Reply with quote
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Do you folks go to the movies?
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Joe Vitus
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:32 pm Reply with quote
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That's so pre-t.v.

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Syd
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:33 pm Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
Do you folks go to the movies?


Welcome to the lexicography forum.

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Syd
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:36 pm Reply with quote
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Although I think everyone may be afraid they'll accidentally walk into the Hannah Montana movie and be scarred for life. (I notice Ebert managed to avoid it, though Berardinelli didn't.)

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mo_flixx
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:09 am Reply with quote
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Go back a few posts...the discussion sprang out of seeing the French film, "The Class," about a high school teacher and his teen students, children of recent immigrants. The discussion is rooted in observations about the film's subtitles and plot.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:43 am Reply with quote
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Any deviation from clinically cinematic conversation touches Marc's last nerve.
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But with his very question, he has launched yet another...

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marantzo
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:50 am Reply with quote
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to catch any movies lately. Coincidently I was thinking the same thing as Marc when I logged on this morning. There are a couple that I want to see, especially Adventureland.
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mo_flixx
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:36 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
Any deviation from clinically cinematic conversation touches Marc's last nerve.


Hope he doesn't think a circumflex is something related to circumcision!

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i wanna see Australia and it's been on my kitchen table for 2 weeks
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