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| marantzo |
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| He also had a goon wherever he played making sure he was protected from other goons. They did a bang up job too. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:20 pm |
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| Finally caught up with Godard's La Chinoise last night. This was the last of the 60's Godard movies I hadn't seen (which turns out not to be surprising: it never had a VCR release). I'm glad I saw it, but I only intermittently enjoyed it. Starting with Masculine-Feminine (which I do like) Godard quickly moved into the deconstuctionist world of Weekend and general incomprehensibility. La Chinoise isn't that far gone, and there are a lot of good bits, but the very fact that I think of the movie in terms of those bits rather than the whole says it all. And the trend toward didacticism was becoming much more pronounced. The importance of the movie can't be denied, but it's now a time capsule, it doesn't reflect on anything outside its era. I can't really imagine anyone watching it now and feeling it connects to current life, or personally to their life. (Would people in Islamic terrorist cells relate to it's Pop guerrilla perspective? I doubt it.) I think the movie is limited. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:49 pm |
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| I really am seriously turned off by all those Godard movies--Masculine Feminine, La Chinoise, and almost everything else after Breathless. Truffaut he wasn't, and if you love Truffaut like I do you know what I mean. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:51 pm |
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| Since Enter the Void is offered streaming from Netflix and since I respect Marc, I am going to give it my best shot. Wish me luck. But first...a theater visit to Cedar Rapids tonight. Sounds like something I'll love. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:15 pm |
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Billy, did you see Les carabiniers? I liked that one. It's funny and serious.
Godard really got overwhelmed with his far left wing nonsense and Breathless was his masterpiece, a masterpiece. His other films weren't in the same ballpark. Though I haven't seen that many of them. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:30 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: I really am seriously turned off by all those Godard movies--Masculine Feminine, La Chinoise, and almost everything else after Breathless. Truffaut he wasn't, and if you love Truffaut like I do you know what I mean.
I think that's because you've got a strong sentimental streak, and I mean that as a compliment (I do, too). Godard as often as not tries to alienate rather than embrace both his characters and his audience. Truffaut does the opposite.
But Truffaut almost immediately stopped being an innovative filmmaker. You've got The 400 Blows, Shoot the Piano Player, and Jules and Jim. After that, nothing he made really did anything for cinema. I love the rest of the Antoine Doinel series, but in terms of moviemaking they could just as easily have been made by television directors.
That said, I would have loved to have met/known Truffaut, something I cannot say about Godard.
Of Godard's movies, I do love Breathless, Band of Outsiders and Masculine-Feminine. I like Alphaville (which is just too audacious a conception not to enjoy) and La Chinoise. Not sure what I think about Pierre la Fou or A Woman is a Woman, which are pretty terrible in general, but still manage to be playful and interesting and likable. And are smart enough to use Belmondo. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:32 pm |
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| Stolen Kisses is my daughter's favorite movie, and I take that as a validation of my parenting. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:50 pm |
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| A lot of people seemed to think that Le Mepris was great. I saw it when it came out in Paris and was hugely disappointed. I thought it was bloated nothing. SPOILER: When the scene with the car crash came my reaction was, "Good it's over!" |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:56 pm |
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I'll likely see it (as I seem to be on a Godard kick right now), but I don't expect I'll like it.
And although I'd totally get it if you hadn't whited out the spoiler (the movie is decades old at this point), I still appreciate that you did. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:58 pm |
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Well, as for Godard, I haven't seen much. I liked About the Souffle and A Band Apart a lot.... Also, he married the star of one of my all time favorite movies. That's about it.
Those titles are for billy. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:30 pm |
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| I was wondering... |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:46 pm |
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| Question to those who speak French. I'm noticing in subtitles, "merde" is regularly translated as "damn" or something else, but never the literal translation "shit." Is this because of a conservative bent among people who compose subtitles, or is "shit" too harsh an equivalent to how the word comes across in French? |
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| Shane |
| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:47 pm |
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| I just thoroughly enjoyed 'Business is Business'! It's so refreshing to be in a place where attitudes allow people to feel fine about themselves whatever line of work they're in. Nicely played with interesting attention paid to long shots. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:47 pm |
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Quote: Question to those who speak French. I'm noticing in subtitles, "merde" is regularly translated as "damn" or something else, but never the literal translation "shit." Is this because of a conservative bent among people who compose subtitles, or is "shit" too harsh an equivalent to how the word comes across in French?Question to those who speak French. I'm noticing in subtitles, "merde" is regularly translated as "damn" or something else, but never the literal translation "shit." Is this because of a conservative bent among people who compose subtitles, or is "shit" too harsh an equivalent to how the word comes across in French?
The last thing you said. In France the word for shit isn't considered verboten, it's like a stronger form of 'damn'. In the movies on TV here, the subtitled ones translate everything from holy Jesus to motherfucker as "maladiction" or however it is spelled in Spanish (or in English for that matter). |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:56 am |
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| Thanks. |
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