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gromit
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:21 am Reply with quote
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I plan to see Cloud Atlas, unfortunately just on my telly. I try to know as little as possible going in and see how a film works on its own terms. The problem is some films require a bit of background or info. Occasionally it would be better to watch an extra on the disc prior to watching the film.
Cloud Atlas sounds ambitious and worth checking out.

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Saying you liked a film doesn't automatically warrant a response. Bartist, you didn't make any points in your Cloud Atlas review that I could really argue with. You could follow its many plotlines. I couldn't.
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Sounds like one of my complaints about The Man with the Iron Fists. Obviously they're the same movie.

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bartist
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:35 pm Reply with quote
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Marc wrote:
Saying you liked a film doesn't automatically warrant a response. Bartist, you didn't make any points in your Cloud Atlas review that I could really argue with. You could follow its many plotlines. I couldn't.


Couldn't agree more with your first sentence, Marc. It was a more general observation, and not directed at you. So few people here are seeing the same films that someone will post (not just talking about myself) on a film and there's no response from anyone. When you only have half a dozen regulars, that's to be expected. I was just feeling a bit wistful about the old days when there were 30-40 people looking in, and it could be expected that a new and unusual film would generate some discussion. It doesn't even have to rise to the level of "argument" AFAIC.

Now, Cloud Atlas gets a bad review somewhere, you post another, and everyone jumps in saying "Yeah, why bother? I'm not wasting three hours on that shit," about a film they haven't seen. It wasn't universally panned, either. Far from it. Roger Ebert liked it quite a lot. Ebert likes science fiction and speculative themes, so maybe that's a red flag for many here, too - I can dig that...why spend three hours on a genre you feel doesn't speak to you?

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People seeing films at wildly different times doesn't help either.

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Marc
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:16 am Reply with quote
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The new Bond movie, Skyfall, is terrific. It's really right up there with the best of the Bonds.

The theme song sung by Adele is quite nice too.
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gromit
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:09 am Reply with quote
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I've been hearing good things about Skyfall.
Bond films not really my kind of thing.
I haven't seen many at all.

Watched an hour and a half of Amazing Spiderman last night. Comic book adaptations also not my kind of thing. It started off fairly ordinary and mainstream, though a bit plodding while trying to cram in all the back story and set up. Then as things ratchet forward it gets silly, but also filled with various confusing details.

How did Peter Parker make this skintight ribbed spiderman suit? Suddenly he has it. Did he buy it off the internet or something? How in Hades is the chief of police's 17 year old high school daughter a trusted employee of the Oscorp Corp., mentored by one of the head scientists and in charge of interns? That seemed really inexplicable to me. Let alone her knowing enough and having access enough to make an antidote seemingly never made before. No idea how Peter knew how to do that either, but he merely tells her on the phone and without writing down a thing, she says okay and goes off and makes it. Uh, oh-kay ...

Otherwise, why wouldn't hundreds of bullets from automatic weapons kill or even injure the lizard creature?
At least that bit of severe implausibility you could just shrug off and let go of, as it was just one moment and not a key plot point.

There were a lot of other small details which distracted me and seemed odd or implausible. Why were there lots of lizards in the subway? Okay it added atmosphere -- but not sense. Why can the giant mutant lizard just run through or rip through walls? Strong similar sized animals such as say a buffalo or polar bear can't do that. Why would a big lizard be able to? And why is this lizard so energetic and fast anyway? All questions one is surely not supposed to ask, but that's what happens when you get bored. And the action sequences are indeed boring. Perhaps I just don't have the right mindset for such a film.

I did think the sound design was top-notch. $230M goes a long way. But the webs looked kind of hokey throughout the film. (I can't believe this cost $230M to make, grossed $750M worldwide, and I never heard of it. I'm pretty good at tuning out things I'm not interested in).

Emma Stone seemed to have rather limited range and came across as a Spice Girl -- who happened to be a brilliant 17 year old scientist -- but maybe that was just a poor/weak role. Maybe?
I grew a bit tired of Sally Fields' Very Concerned Look, especially after Uncle Ben was converted into a corpse, and she was the sole guardian. I also hated the dopey quips Peter Parker makes while fighting the super-strong lizard creature. The police chief, father of Emma Spice Scientist, looked (at least to me) like Chris Stevens, the ambassador killed in Libya. This distracted me a bit.

I might watch the remaining 50 minutes or whatever today, but would probably be better off watching The Avengers until I lose interest in that -- which could be another half-film viewing for me. These things just seemed aimed at a young more mainstream audience.


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Look. There are certain films I know from Jump Street that I am not going to see on a bet. Funny Games was one of them. I would never subject myself to a film that traffics in such palpable human suffering. Big Daddy I will not see. Adam Sandler I can take, even in certain low-brow comedies (I loved You Don't Mess with the Zohan, for instance), but there is a limit, and Big Daddy (and The Waterboy and Grown Ups) are it.

Endless movies are a problem for me. I've loved some of them. Schindler's List for me is one of the best movies ever made. I adore Gone With the Wind.

But Cloud Atlas's trailer did me in for starters. It looked (by my lights) pretentious, overblown, and totally unwatchable. I cannot spend three hours of my life experiencing something I know know know going in I will utterly detest.
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bartist
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:13 am Reply with quote
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Sigh.

OK, the Chinese say that people are (depending on their inner animal) about power or love. There are six animals that represent power, six that represent love. What I found in Cloud Atlas was a fascinating approach to following that dynamic through several human lifetimes. Those who were about power kept with a dynamic of manipulating others and controlling every aspect of their lives. Those who were about love kept with a dynamic of finding freedom, wrestling free of oppressors, and finding ways to help others. It wasn't hard to follow each person through multiple lives, even with the costume and makeup changes, and I don't think my facial recognition skills stand out among a group of artistic people who love film.

Some characters move from power towards love - Tom Hanks, for example, starts out as rather greedy and corrupt, a ship's doctor who preys on a sick passenger, but grows in other lives and moves towards love and the strength to throw off his inner demons. Others have shorter arcs, like Hugo Weaving, who is always about control and subjugation, but at least begins to doubt his own values by the time of his life in a distant future.

These threads of character show illuminating struggles, and are NOT pretentious or overblown. They are fascinating. THE TRAILER IS BULLSHIT. As we have often discussed, good movies can have bad trailers. This is one of those movies.

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Look. There are certain films I know from Jump Street that I am not going to see on a bet. Funny Games was one of them. I would never subject myself to a film that traffics in such palpable human suffering. Big Daddy I will not see. Adam Sandler I can take, even in certain low-brow comedies (I loved You Don't Mess with the Zohan, for instance), but there is a limit, and Big Daddy (and The Waterboy and Grown Ups) are it.

Endless movies are a problem for me. I've loved some of them. Schindler's List for me is one of the best movies ever made. I adore Gone With the Wind.

But Cloud Atlas's trailer did me in for starters. It looked (by my lights) pretentious, overblown, and totally unwatchable. I cannot spend three hours of my life experiencing something I know know know going in I will utterly detest.


Yes, "...a film that traffics in such palpable human suffering." I never go to those kind of films either, no matter how good they are supposed to be. I loved Don't Mess with the Zohan, also. Plus, after seeing the preview of Cloud Atlas, I decided to never watch it. When I first saw Gone With the Wind (1948 I think) there was an intermission. Do they still have an intermission when they show it in theatres? 2001 A Space Odyssey also had an intermission. I noticed that the DVDs of it list the time as 2hr10min.

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bartist
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:19 am Reply with quote
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20121024%2FREVIEWS%2F121029991

He urges all film lovers to see this movie. As do I.

I felt good to be alive when I walked out of the theater. I knew I had, as Ebert did, seen one of the most ambitious and fascinating films of this year, or any year.

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bartist wrote:
Sigh.

OK, the Chinese say that people are (depending on their inner animal) about power or love. There are six animals that represent power, six that represent love. What I found in Cloud Atlas was a fascinating approach to following that dynamic through several human lifetimes. Those who were about power kept with a dynamic of manipulating others and controlling every aspect of their lives. Those who were about love kept with a dynamic of finding freedom, wrestling free of oppressors, and finding ways to help others. It wasn't hard to follow each person through multiple lives, even with the costume and makeup changes, and I don't think my facial recognition skills stand out among a group of artistic people who love film.

Some characters move from power towards love - Tom Hanks, for example, starts out as rather greedy and corrupt, a ship's doctor who preys on a sick passenger, but grows in other lives and moves towards love and the strength to throw off his inner demons. Others have shorter arcs, like Hugo Weaving, who is always about control and subjugation, but at least begins to doubt his own values by the time of his life in a distant future.

These threads of character show illuminating struggles, and are NOT pretentious or overblown. They are fascinating. THE TRAILER IS BULLSHIT. As we have often discussed, good movies can have bad trailers. This is one of those movies.


Agree. One of those films where actually seeing it makes all the difference in the world. It is much greater than the sum of its trailer parts. I really hope Marc's review hasn't poisoned the well here. This is a remarkable and fascinating film.
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jeremy
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:44 pm Reply with quote
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Bart,

I think the silliness you noted with Spiderman was equally present in the latest Batman film. The film makers seem to be of a mind that its only a comic book fantasy, it's only for teenagers, we don't have to explain ourselves or worry about feasibility or coherence or...In fact the reverse is true. I found it lazy and cynical.

And I liked your defence of "Cloud Atlas". I'm not sure I believed it, but well said anyway. I'll guess I'll have to see the film and make my own mind up.

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Marc
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:05 pm Reply with quote
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Cloud Atlas has all the metaphysical heft of Jonathan Living Seagull's bird droppings. It's hippie shit. I can't think of a movie I've loathed more. True true.
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