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billyweeds
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carrobin wrote:
Clips and trailers aren't always the best items to judge a movie by. I remember seeing the trailer of "The Graduate" back in the 60s and thinking it looked terrible. I can't remember why I went to see it anyway--but I'm glad I did.


I still think the second half of The Graduate is pretty bad, but partly because it follows such a brilliant first half.
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Syd
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Woody Allen has brought Andrew Dice Clay back from the Dead. Apparently both are good, too.

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Syd wrote:
Woody Allen has brought Andrew Dice Clay back from the Dead. Apparently both are good, too.


Gotta' wonder how that connection came to life. Has Dice Clay's agent been out there all this time, flogging his client to every director, radio show host, local theater house and high-school production in town? Or was it Woody himself who dusted off the "Has-Been" files and came across a cum-stained promo shot of the guy? Or maybe some studio exec lost a bet and said, "Okay, whatever, I promise I'll cast anyone you can think of; I mean, how bad can it be??"

Is there some kind of karmic Wheel-Of-Redemption in the biz, where if you wait long enough virtually everyone makes a comeback? Colour me curious.

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marantzo
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:36 am Reply with quote
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As far as I know, Woody always picks his own actors. He used to see me at Elaine's, but he never gave me a role. Crying or Very sad
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marantzo wrote:
As far as I know, Woody always picks his own actors. He used to see me at Elaine's, but he never gave me a role. Crying or Very sad


Apparently you haven't sunk low enough. Proof that Woody doesn't read this forum!

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marantzo wrote:
Never saw SotL. Never liked Jodie one bit in any of the movies I saw her in, including Taxi Driver just like Billy.


You won't like her this time, either, because she's playing a repulsive character, sort of like a female Dick Cheney. To tell you the truth, I wasn't particularly impressed by anyone in the movie. Apparently in 2100, to quote War, the world is a ghetto. I'm skeptical.

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billyweeds
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:25 pm Reply with quote
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Finally saw We're the Millers and it was worth the wait. Hilarious. Not always, but often enough, and pleasant otherwise. Jason Sudeikis proves himself fully up to the task of anchoring a comedy, and he gets terrific support from Jennifer Aniston, Will Coulter, Emma Roberts, and Kathryn Hahn, whose pronunciation of a certain feminine hygiene device is itself worth the price of admission. The movie is raunchy yet decently heartwarming as well, a rare combination marvelously balanced by Sudeikis and company.
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Joe Vitus
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Does Blue Jasmine contain a well-delivered, ambiguous character portrait by Cate Blanchett? Yes. Does it have moments of both mild and laugh-out-loud comedy? Yes. Is it a good movie? No. It's a disorganized mess of elements that go so poorly together that moments when I'm sure Allen meant for us to feel the anguish and despair of Blanchett's character brought forth bursts of laughter from the audience, who just didn't know how to read the scene.

There's a lot of Interiors here with the anguish of the WASP rich (even a similar breakdown-when-confronting-a-husband-who's-walking-out-on-the-marriage). It's odd how much Allen seems to want to will himself into a cultural group that he is not only so isolated from, but which he generally mocks if he uses them at all in his comedies. At least the portrait of this woman feels accurate, and not the stereotype laden cliches seen on t.v. But how are we supposed to care about the woes of a member of the 1% and why does Allen? There could be good answers for both questions, but the movie doesn't suggest any.

Sally Hawkins is, I guess, good as Blanchett's low-class sister. But the stereotyped personality and material she's given is embarrassingly cliched, very much in a t.v. tradition of working class gals (she even seems to have a New York accent, which is odd for a California girl). And while it's easy to see how finances or luck (even before the disaster Hawkins and ex-husband Andrew Dice Clay went through) can force sisters into separate worlds, in what world ever could these two people have been raised by the same parents, had the same educational opportunities or in any way be connected to the same world? There's some nonsense about the parents always preferring Blanchett, but that doesn't explain how even in her early twenties she was polished, poised and well-spoken, while Hawkins seems to have been raised at the hair-and-nails salon run by the sister on Ugly Betty. The attempt to make us believe these two people could have been raised in the same house is just ludicrous.

There are all sorts of motifs from earlier Wood Allen movies. The descent into madness from Stardust Memories. The "working class slobs" from Small Time Crooks. The shattered fragile WASP identity from Interiors. The creepy "seducer" from Crimes and Misdemeanors. The big bad rich philandering husband from Alice. The toxic relationships from Husbands and Wives. But they don't gel. Ideas that independently might have worked (like Blanchett's painful life, her not always likable but basically understandable behavior) are mashed up with ideas that will never never work (like Allen's weird take on Hawkin's life and friends, and her two kids who are like an alien observer's attempt to reproduce what it has seen of the human species via telescope). And what exactly is meant to be funny and what is not is completely unresolved. Not "ambiguous" or "complex, like in life" just unformed and not hashed out thoughtfully.

At best you've got the pathos and black comedy of Blanchett's painful deterioration, but what we're supposed to get from this and why Allen wants to explore it is never explained. What was he going for? What did he want us to gain from it?

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Joe Vitus wrote:
Does Blue Jasmine contain a well-delivered, ambiguous character portrait by Cate Blanchett? Yes. Does it have moments of both mild and laugh-out-loud comedy? Yes. Is it a good movie? No. It's a disorganized mess of elements that go so poorly together that moments when I'm sure Allen meant for us to feel the anguish and despair of Blanchett's character brought forth bursts of laughter from the audience, who just didn't know how to read the scene.

There's a lot of Interiors here with the anguish of the WASP rich (even a similar breakdown-when-confronting-a-husband-who's-walking-out-on-the-marriage). It's odd how much Allen seems to want to will himself into a cultural group that he is not only so isolated from, but which he generally mocks if he uses them at all in his comedies. At least the portrait of this woman feels accurate, and not the stereotype laden cliches seen on t.v. But how are we supposed to care about the woes of a member of the 1% and why does Allen? There could be good answers for both questions, but the movie doesn't suggest any.

Sally Hawkins is, I guess, good as Blanchett's low-class sister. But the stereotyped personality and material she's given is embarrassingly cliched, very much in a t.v. tradition of working class gals (she even seems to have a New York accent, which is odd for a California girl). And while it's easy to see how finances or luck (even before the disaster Hawkins and ex-husband Andrew Dice Clay went through) can force sisters into separate worlds, in what world ever could these two people have been raised by the same parents, had the same educational opportunities or in any way be connected to the same world? There's some nonsense about the parents always preferring Blanchett, but that doesn't explain how even in her early twenties she was polished, poised and well-spoken, while Hawkins seems to have been raised at the hair-and-nails salon run by the sister on Ugly Betty. The attempt to make us believe these two people could have been raised in the same house is just ludicrous.

There are all sorts of motifs from earlier Wood Allen movies. The descent into madness from Stardust Memories. The "working class slobs" from Small Time Crooks. The shattered fragile WASP identity from Interiors. The creepy "seducer" from Crimes and Misdemeanors. The big bad rich philandering husband from Alice. The toxic relationships from Husbands and Wives. But they don't gel. Ideas that independently might have worked (like Blanchett's painful life, her not always likable but basically understandable behavior) are mashed up with ideas that will never never work (like Allen's weird take on Hawkin's life and friends, and her two kids who are like an alien observer's attempt to reproduce what it has seen of the human species via telescope). And what exactly is meant to be funny and what is not is completely unresolved. Not "ambiguous" or "complex, like in life" just unformed and not hashed out thoughtfully.

At best you've got the pathos and black comedy of Blanchett's painful deterioration, but what we're supposed to get from this and why Allen wants to explore it is never explained. What was he going for? What did he want us to gain from it?


Sounds like I'll get more pleasure out of your review than the film. Great read, Joe, but fuck you for ripping away my hope that Woody had another great film under his belt. The moment I saw the word, "Interiors", my poor, film-starved heart gave out.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:12 am Reply with quote
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I agree with Lorne, unfortunately. Thanks, Joe, for dampening my expectations. Though I must state they'd already been dampened by the reaction of an old friend whose opinion I often (not always) agree with. Here, however, he sounds on the money. His assessment: Cate Blanchett has the Oscar sewn up BUT the movie is lacking otherwise.

Very good review, Joe, whether I wind up agreeing with you or not.
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Syd
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Oh, my. I was wondering when I heard that it was a reworking of A Streetcar Named Desire. Hawkins seemed like an odd choice for the Stella character.

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"There's a lot of Interiors here with the anguish of the WASP rich...."

All I need to know, Joe. Thanks for saving me the money and the two hours! Kind of funny that Sally Hawkins would pick the wrong coast for her Yank accent.

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billyweeds
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:19 am Reply with quote
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Ah, yes. The very mention of Interiors makes the inside of my eyeballs go blank and my mind get fuzzy. Hated that movie beyond description.
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marantzo
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:30 am Reply with quote
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Never saw Interiors and never will, but i intend to see Blue Jasmine.
Joe Vitus
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Um, er, thanks Lorne and Billy. Smile Maybe if I've lowered your expectations you'll end up being pleasantly suprised? I'm glad you liked the review, if not the content.

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