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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:43 am Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
I was taught that the noun, if it end with an S, takes only an apostrophe. And I wasn't raised by wolves or anything like that. Newton, Mass. -- good public schools.

Was your MOTW assessment in any way influenced by the presence of Oprah in the cast?


Sorry--you were taught WRONG. Right on, whiskey!!!

There was a Broadway revue called (by the producers) Jerome Robbins' Broadway. Every time The New York Times referred to the show they "changed" the title (correctly) to "Jerome Robbins's Broadway."
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:50 am Reply with quote
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This no-extra-apostrophe nonsense reaches its apex of horror in such constructions as the already mentioned "Thomas' doubt." How would you pronounce "'Hound Dog' was one of Elvis' big hits"?
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whiskeypriest
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:08 am Reply with quote
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jeremy wrote:
"The Help", "The Butler"...It might be wishful thinking, but America seems to want to reach a settlment or cast a new narrative for the post-racial era. All very nice, but these films bore me something rotten.

On the subject of apostrophes, generally, I think plurals shouldn't have a further 's' added, but other words ending in 's' can depending on whether or not it sounds natural: Jones' legacy, the dogs' food, Thomas's doubt.
I will say this in favor of Lee Daniels's The Butler: it avoids the !Glory syndrome, Hollywood's belief that black historical and civil rights stories should be told from a white perspective in order to not scare off a white crowd. It os completely, in all of its foci, black on its perspective.

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whiskeypriest
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:13 am Reply with quote
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marantzo wrote:
"Mrs. Trovillion would turn over in her grave if she was dead."

....if she were dead. (Shame on you.) Laughing

Was I taught incorrectly about that also? Surprised
That was deliberate. Just seeing if anyone was paying attention.

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Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:15 am Reply with quote
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billyweeds wrote:
bartist wrote:
I was taught that the noun, if it end with an S, takes only an apostrophe. And I wasn't raised by wolves or anything like that. Newton, Mass. -- good public schools.

Was your MOTW assessment in any way influenced by the presence of Oprah in the cast?


Sorry--you were taught WRONG. Right on, whiskey!!!

There was a Broadway revue called (by the producers) Jerome Robbins' Broadway. Every time The New York Times referred to the show they "changed" the title (correctly) to "Jerome Robbins's Broadway."
I consider this definitive. All debate shall cease. Correct your usages, pepple.

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knox
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:33 am Reply with quote
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Going with the Chicago Style Manual, Jeremy, et al. - one should go by which sounds more natural. Thomas and Elvis have vowels right before the "S" and so need the extra S. Names like Chambers or Robbins, where the "S" becomes a Z-sound that follows a consonant, don't need the extra S. Hope I haven't made an S of myself.

Marc's Papal pronouncements whenever people digress: really, this digression was on topic, given the Lee Daniels apostrophe catastrophe. I read the whole chat as way of saying "the punctuation is more interesting than the film."
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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:45 am Reply with quote
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The Butler (I categorically refuse to use the new title) sounds like an excellent film, like Forrest Gump if it were a good movie.
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bartist
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:54 am Reply with quote
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This chat has succeeded in making me not care anymore. But if anyone dares to call the monster in Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley's masterpiece "Frankenstein," I am prepared to open up a big can of whup-tush and unload a world of pain! Refer to it as "the monster," or "Frankenstein's monster," and we will be happily putting on the Ritz.

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Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:57 am Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
This chat has succeeded in making me not care anymore. But if anyone dares to call the monster in Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley's masterpiece "Frankenstein," I am prepared to open up a big can of whup-tush and unload a world of pain! Refer to it as "the monster," or "Frankenstein's monster," and we will be happily putting on the Ritz.


You mean he didn't get his father's surname?

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bartist
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:21 am Reply with quote
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He, he! Take it up with Ms. Shelley - if you can manage to reanimate her.


RIP ELMORE!

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Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:28 am Reply with quote
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bartist wrote:
This chat has succeeded in making me not care anymore. But if anyone dares to call the monster in Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley's masterpiece "Frankenstein," I am prepared to open up a big can of whup-tush and unload a world of pain! Refer to it as "the monster," or "Frankenstein's monster," and we will be happily putting on the Ritz.


I'd be more frustrated by someone calling that imaginative and innovative but hopelessly clunky and clumsily realized work of fiction with leaden characters spouting unspeakable dialogue a "masterpiece".

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:37 am Reply with quote
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Joe Vitus wrote:
bartist wrote:
This chat has succeeded in making me not care anymore. But if anyone dares to call the monster in Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley's masterpiece "Frankenstein," I am prepared to open up a big can of whup-tush and unload a world of pain! Refer to it as "the monster," or "Frankenstein's monster," and we will be happily putting on the Ritz.


I'd be more frustrated by someone calling that imaginative and innovative but hopelessly clunky and clumsily realized work of fiction with leaden characters spouting unspeakable dialogue a "masterpiece".


LOL.
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bartist
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:22 am Reply with quote
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Ha! No worries, then - I was using "masterpiece" with tongue in cheek.

Young Frankenstein, however - that IS a masterpiece.

MEL BROOKS' masterpiece. Cough. Cough.

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billyweeds
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:09 pm Reply with quote
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Word of mouth is making We're the Millers a smash hit. Yay! Once in a while there is God.

And, no, Millers is not a great movie. But it is laugh-packed, something no comedy since Bridesmaids has been.

(Sorry, Gary. Once in a while there is another Signs, and it's called Bridesmaids.)
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marantzo
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:50 pm Reply with quote
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I'll be seeing The Wolverine this afternoon. Should be a lot of laughs there.

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