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Syd
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:53 pm Reply with quote
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jeremy wrote:
My prediction, come the Oscars, "Gravity" won't win any of the big prizes. The Academy seems to have little minimal respect for the minimalist, strengths of the medium it is supposed to represent. Once again, as it has consistently done it the past, it will reward the size, weight and worth. Watch out for "12 Years A Slave" and the other awards' season Oscar bait to come.


12 Years a Slave certainly looks like a strong contender from the trailers. Mandela might be one, too, but it doesn't look anywhere near as good.

Quvenzhané Wallis plays Chiwetel Ejiofor's daughter in 12 Years a Slave, and she's following it up with the lead in Annie. Yes, that Annie.

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I didn't man to be too down on 12 Years A Slave - it features three of my favourite actors: Fassbinder; Cumberbatch and Ejiofor, and I'm looking forward to seeing it. However, regardless of its qualities, I would suggest that its a heavyweight film that immediatey ticks more Oscar boxes than Gravity.

As an aside, I also have to say, I really don't feel compelled to see another film about the holocaust or slavery, unless its exceptionally well-done or tells me a story I don't know. It might be heresy to say so, but many of these films are less about asseting a truth rather than revealing one. Watching some films or documentaries about slavery, feel like I'm at a group therapy, where only fucked-up America gets to work through its trauma.

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"As an aside, I also have to say, I really don't feel compelled to see another film about the holocaust or slavery..."

I don't see those kind of movies anymore either. Did you see The Butler? It does start out with slavery, but it just shows the tragedy that the butler, as a child, goes through and takes off from there. It's a very good movie.
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marantzo wrote:
"As an aside, I also have to say, I really don't feel compelled to see another film about the holocaust or slavery..."

I don't see those kind of movies anymore either. Did you see The Butler? It does start out with slavery, but it just shows the tragedy that the butler, as a child, goes through and takes off from there. It's a very good movie.
No, it starts about 50 years after slavery.

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Yeah, but they are still slaves, only masqueraded as proper maids and farm hands. Being raped and murdered, without their criminal overlords being arrested etc. sounds like slavery to me.
jeremy
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:13 pm Reply with quote
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Syd wrote:
Quvenzhané Wallis plays Chiwetel Ejiofor's daughter in 12 Years a Slave, and she's following it up with the lead in Annie. Yes, that Annie.


It's good to see her getting the chance to build on her brilliant performance in that "Wild Things" thing.

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knox
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:06 am Reply with quote
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Beasts of the Southern Wild.

Agree that Gravity lacks the specific gravity needed for gold statuettes. Excellent, but yes, minimalist. Caring what the Academy thinks is like caring what your neighbors think....you'll end up spending all your time pruning and mowing instead of just living your life.

(I don't know if that analogy works....sounded good in my head, but I may hate myself in the morning, or afternoon)
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jeremy wrote:
Syd wrote:
Quvenzhané Wallis plays Chiwetel Ejiofor's daughter in 12 Years a Slave, and she's following it up with the lead in Annie. Yes, that Annie.


It's good to see her getting the chance to build on her brilliant performance in that "Wild Things" thing.


It's amazing to think that Wallis is going to sing as well. And with Cameron Diaz stretching herself to play villainous but hilarious Miss Hannigan, this could be the best Annie yet. (No competition from the woebegone John Huston version, of course, but the second made-for-television take was very good indeed.)
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billyweeds
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:34 am Reply with quote
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knox wrote:

Agree that Gravity lacks the specific gravity needed for gold statuettes.


Don'r know how you're defining "gravity" here, but assuming you mean "gravitas," I strenuously disagree. This is as profoundly spiritual a movie as I've ever seen.
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knox
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My bad, very confusing science metaphor. "Specific gravity" is a measure of density, and I was sort of using it to refer to Jeremy's "weight" and "size." Didn't mean it lacked gravitas! The experience of outer space is deeply spiritual.

I usually keep my inner science geek chained up in the basement. Not sure how he got out.
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Syd
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Her gravity failed and negativity didn't pull her through.

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So she improvised.

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Did you hear about the astronaut who drifted off into deep space? He's 0K now.

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gromit
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jeremy wrote:
Did you hear about the astronaut who drifted off into deep space? He's 0K now.


After he woke up ...

(I didn't get Jeremy's joke, so made one of my own)

And for the science geek, this is pretty interesting:

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The Casimir effect is a strange and mysterious force that operates on the tiniest scales. It pushes together small metal objects when they are separated by a tiny distance.

That’s a problem because engineers are increasingly interested in building tiny machines with parts that move against each other on precisely the scale. For some years now, they’ve been thwarted by a problem called stiction in which the tiny cogs, gears and other parts in these machines stick together so tightly that the device stops working.

The culprit in these strange stiction events is often the Casimir effect. But since it is poorly understood, physicists and engineers have never known how to prevent it.
...

This ability to reduce the Casimir force could have a profound effect on the way microscopic and nanoscopic machines are designed and built in the near future and on their reliability.

The Casimir effect comes about because the universe at the smallest scales is filled with virtual particles leaping in and out of existence. When two metal plates are close together, the gap between them is so small that some of these particles cannot form. That creates an excess of virtual particles on the other sides of the plates which pushes them together.

This force is impressive. At distances of around 10 nm, the force is equivalent to about 1 atmosphere of pressure. But it drops off dramatically as the distance increases

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/8dc2ed4cfd08

Of course when I looked up The Casimir Effect on wiki, it sounded a lot more complicated and technical and incomprehensible than that description above.

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jeremy
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:48 am Reply with quote
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gromit wrote:
jeremy wrote:
Did you hear about the astronaut who drifted off into deep space? He's 0K now.


After he woke up ...

(I didn't get Jeremy's joke, so made one of my own)



I'm sure Syd and Knox would have got it Smile. Zero degrees Kelvin or 0deg K or 0K or -273deg C is absolute zero, the coldest temperture possible. In deep space, the temperature approaches 0K, which is a near heteronym for Ok.

A better version of the joke requires a "Gravity" spoiler:

They found George Clooney, he was 0K.


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