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| jeremy |
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| Ghulam, I think you're taking Fight Club too literarily. It is a fun exploration of male emascualtion and alienation in the modern world. |
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| Marc |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:01 am |
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| FIGHT CLUB is the best film of the '90s. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:18 am |
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| The idea of fighting for "freedom" by the downtrodden comes in late, almost as an afterthought, and seems lame and unconvincing. |
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| Joe Vitus |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:19 am |
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No, at least Dazed and Confused is better.
I was okay with Fight Club. One of the first movies I watched on DVD, and of the movie is of such superior visual quality it was a great way to check out the new format.
Lady,
I keep meaning to read the book, which I understand is different (the ending totally different). I get the feeling that, like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and Blade Runner, the differences allow each adapation to work best in its own medium. |
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| lady wakasa |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:29 am |
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Ghulam - I don't think the movie's main theme is quite "fighting for freedom by the downtrodden" (it's in there, but not what the movie revolves around). Plus the way things played out, telling everything upfront wouldn't have worked. Maybe if you could explain what you would have rearranged, I could understand where you're coming from better.
Joe - I'm ashamed to admit it, but I read the book sitting on a train about 10 months ago (it was a fast read - about 5 hours) and I can't quite remember the ending. I still feel, though, like it's the kind of book/DVD combo that I'd give as a present and that it's something that I'd violate my "DVD credo" (only buy things that are likely to go out of print) for. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:01 am |
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| Lady, I was not thinking of rearranging anything. A young man dealing with alienation, purposelessness and difficulty in connecting tries to find meaning throgh self-help groups. He then splits or meets an imaginary friend or lets his aggressive side emerge, gets engaged in hurting others and getting hurt himself, but still keeps on this side of the cold and senseless violence of his imaginary friend, but cannot deal with this friend except by shooting himself. Interspersed are scenes of trying to make sense of this gory violence, with a backdrop of urban decay. While violence is supposedly being decried, most members of the audience may have enjoyed the violence more than the message. My emotional response to the movie was negative. A cerebral look at what it was trying to say also left me unsatisfied. Sorry, but this is how it came across to me. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:03 am |
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Quote: The idea of fighting for "freedom" by the downtrodden comes in late, almost as an afterthought, and seems lame and unconvincing.
I don't think that was were the film was coming from. The point of blowing stuff up was not an attack on capitalism or the oppressed, at least not in Marxist terms, rather it was a symptom of male impotence, a raging against the machine, a desire to strip away the constaints and feel. The tone of the film was one of hopelessness, its nihilism did not offer any solutions. |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:09 am |
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| Ghulam, I saw Se7en by the same director and there is no way that I will contribute any more money to any film by him, so of course I didn't see Fight Club, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. Just substitute Se7en for Fight Club and that's pretty well my take. He's a director who seems to be obsessed with ugly violence and not in a good way. |
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| Ghulam |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:35 am |
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| Jeremy, admittedly it was a small part of the movie, but the talk was of we the workers who look after things when "they" are sleeping. That is the revenge motive. Other motives such as despair as well as unconscious motives are also implicated. That's why it was such a confused mess for me. |
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| Mr. Brownstone |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:59 am |
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"Just substitute Se7en for Fight Club and that's pretty well my take."
You're perfectly within your rights to not watch Fight Club, but the differences between Seven and Fight Club are too extraordinary to begin listing.
You'd know this if you'd seen Fight Club.
But I'm continually fascinated and frustrated by your willingness to offer reviews of films you haven't seen. |
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| Nancy |
| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:51 pm |
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lady w,
I have already placed my order for several of them, as a way of celebrating the news I mentioned in BTC. (That's a plug, BTW.)
lady wakasa wrote: Silents (and one sound movie) at Grapevine:
Grapevine wrote: > Seven new DVD-R releases from Grapevine for May
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I'd like to see the Lon Chaney. And there's a silent Moulin Rouge!
Offer ends 1 June. |
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| billyweeds |
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| I think Fincher is a talented man with an interesting style. But I have never been a particular fan of Se7en or Fight Club or Alien 3, for that matter. Fight Club in particular is wildly overrated. But it's the only time I've really liked Brad Pitt as an actor. |
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| marantzo |
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| I've enjoyed a number of performances by Pitt. I especially liked him in Snatch, a movie that I got a great kick out of. I though Pitt's gypsy was hilarious. I know a lot of people didn't like Snatch, but I don't know why. It was delightfully goofy and didn't take itself seriously for a moment. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:08 pm |
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| Brad Pitt will always be underrated as an actor. He's just too pretty for his own good. |
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| jeremy |
| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:13 pm |
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| I remember reading that unlike Pitt who had a great time playing an unintelligable, dissolute Irish gypsy, Benicio Del Toro did not really enjoy himself on the set of Snatch. Partially, this was because his part was small and inconsequential, so he did not really have much to go on, but I also suspect that it had something to do with the fact that not only was the evironment alien to him, but that he did not really get the pomo vibe. |
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