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Nancy
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:32 pm Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:

What I've heard (bad) about Netflix is that once you become a good customer, you have to wait longer for top choices. They are busier "hooking" the newbies so they'll purchase the more expensive packages.


Hasn't happened to me, and i don't think it's likely to. The "top choices" are probably mainstream stuff -- movies I've already seen or am not interested in.

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yambu
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:58 pm Reply with quote
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Doubt could not have been any closer to my own early days, having done eight years in a Bronx Catholic grade school in the '50's. I recognized the church interior as that of St. Gabriel's in Riverdale.

The film was extremely powerful for me, getting all the atmospherics exactly right. Streep, all pinched-face and on constant guard against any slight deviation from her imposed order, who rules by terror "because it works" and never with love, is that severe autocrat who I and my contemporaries had in class at least once. What was a given was that, while the Fr. Boyle character and others may have disapproved of her, no one challenged her authority to run her fiefdom the way she saw fit; and looking back, this was the root of so much abuse handed out to kids every day.

Viola Davis, playing a black mother, gives us only one scene, but it is the best supporting role I've seen in a year. In it, the movie turns sharply, and that's all I dare say. kudos to John Patrick Shanley.
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Marj
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:33 pm Reply with quote
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Yam--Not having your upbringing, I had to experience the film on blind faith. (pun intended) And I did. Totally.

I wish I could say I had seen more films so I could compare ensembles. I haven't but this group of actors were so excellent. And just when you think Streep has lost her touch, she surprises and amazes you. This has to be one of her very best roles, bar none!
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mo_flixx
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:54 am Reply with quote
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yambu wrote:
Doubt could not have been any closer to my own early days, having done eight years in a Bronx Catholic grade school in the '50's. I recognized the church interior as that of St. Gabriel's in Riverdale.

The film was extremely powerful for me, getting all the atmospherics exactly right. Streep, all pinched-face and on constant guard against any slight deviation from her imposed order, who rules by terror "because it works" and never with love, is that severe autocrat who I and my contemporaries had in class at least once. What was a given was that, while the Fr. Boyle character and others may have disapproved of her, no one challenged her authority to run her fiefdom the way she saw fit; and looking back, this was the root of so much abuse handed out to kids every day.

Viola Davis, playing a black mother, gives us only one scene, but it is the best supporting role I've seen in a year. In it, the movie turns sharply, and that's all I dare say. kudos to John Patrick Shanley.


yam --
I've been waiting to hear what you'd have to say about DOUBT. I agree that Viola Davis, the mother, gave a terrific supp. performance. And yes, I'd probably nominate her for a Blanche.
I'm also intrigued if there is an order of nuns who wear that particular type of bonnet. Ann Roth did the costumes. The bonnet looks almost Mennonite - it's very striking and gives one the impression that the nuns are even more retrograde than one might think for the early '60's! They look like they came straight from the 19th C. Can you supply more info?
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yambu
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19th C, you say? You have a good eye, as all of us already know. They are the Sisters of Charity. Teaching and nursing. They run at least one grammar and high school in the Bronx called Our Lady of Mercy. Their head cover in those days was unique. They were founded by Elizabeth Ann Seton, in New Jersey, in the 1800's. I suppose their headgear fits the time of their founding, while most orders of the classic veil date from much earlier. Of course, just a few years after the time of the story, all such trappings were being discarded.

BTW, there are many different orders of nuns who call themselves Sisters of Charity, most going back to St. Vincent DePaul, of 17th C France. They used to wear what looked like giant paper airplanes, like you saw in The Third Man.
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Rod
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Twilight's not bad. Kristen Stewart's very fine, but Robert Pattinson is highly unexciting - the world's first boy band vampire, he's about as Byronic as toothpaste ad - and the film's rather better before the schlocky vampire biz gets into gear.

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mo_flixx
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:45 am Reply with quote
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yambu wrote:
19th C, you say? You have a good eye, as all of us already know. They are the Sisters of Charity. Teaching and nursing. They run at least one grammar and high school in the Bronx called Our Lady of Mercy. Their head cover in those days was unique. They were founded by Elizabeth Ann Seton, in New Jersey, in the 1800's. I suppose their headgear fits the time of their founding, while most orders of the classic veil date from much earlier. Of course, just a few years after the time of the story, all such trappings were being discarded.

BTW, there are many different orders of nuns who call themselves Sisters of Charity, most going back to St. Vincent DePaul, of 17th C France. They used to wear what looked like giant paper airplanes, like you saw in The Third Man.


Thanks for this info. Very interesting.

The bonnets are definitely scary looking - as they hide the face and are more sinister than the traditional white headdresses.
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marantzo
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:56 am Reply with quote
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I've told this story before. When I was in Fine Arts, a friend of mine, an aboriginal, and I were putting our books in our lockers and talking. I don't remember how this came up but at one point of our conversation he said, "I hate the nuns." He was from Northern Manitoba and had gone to the residential school up there. He had also had a bad accident when he was very young that stunted his growth and left him with a limp. I thought he was kidding, for some reason, and I asked him why he hated nuns. This is when he told me about all the physical abuse he had suffered at their hands. And this was not a guy who was a trouble maker. I was completely clueless as to what happened in those residential schools, run by the Anglican and Catholic churches. I was shocked.

In the recent past, these bygone institutions have been taken to task by numerous investigations and thousands of First Nations people who have suffered these abuses have been compensated with large settlements. Disgustingly, a number of the institutions who ran these schools claimed that the accusations were false or exaggerated. Their claims were overwhelmed by first hand, consistent evidence. I hope my friend Joe got his share of the compensation for what he went through.

One of these schools' idea of a transgression was a student getting caught speaking their native language. This would call for the strap.
mo_flixx
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:34 pm Reply with quote
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Gary...

It is also scary to see how Australian aborigines were treated in their own schools of this type. And the abuse continued longer than in N. America, I believed.

BTW on a recent visit to Australia, I asked about the possibility of a "home visit" to an Aboriginal family. I was told to forget it.

At the same time, we had part-Aboriginal leaders (of mixed blood) who were absolutely fantastic.

I guess Rod could tell us more.
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lshap
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:49 pm Reply with quote
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mo_flixx wrote:
Gary...

It is also scary to see how Australian aborigines were treated in their own schools of this type. And the abuse continued longer than in N. America, I believed.

BTW on a recent visit to Australia, I asked about the possibility of a "home visit" to an Aboriginal family. I was told to forget it.

At the same time, we had part-Aboriginal leaders (of mixed blood) who were absolutely fantastic.

I guess Rod could tell us more.


Australia touches on this very subject, but it's thrown into the stew with every other conceivable subject ever put on film so that the final result tastes like a big, loud, long mess.
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Yam,

Doubt is next on my list. It got a so-so review from our local critic who's always wrong, so it's gratifying to read about its strong points.
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Befade
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:26 pm Reply with quote
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Twilight's not bad. Kristen Stewart's very fine, but Robert Pattinson is highly unexciting - the world's first boy band vampire, he's about as Byronic as toothpaste ad - and the film's rather better before the schlocky vampire biz gets into gear.


I admit shamelessly.......I loved Twilight and Robert Pattinson makes a strong impression. I don't care to see him in any other venue or real life but there are been times when an actor is so uncannily gorgeous that you know you'll see him again. Examples: Antonio Banderas in Philadelphia, Brad Pitt in A River Runs Through It.

Twilight is the most erotic teenage movie I've ever seen.

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Nancy
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Befade wrote:
I admit shamelessly.......I loved Twilight and Robert Pattinson makes a strong impression. I don't care to see him in any other venue or real life but there are been times when an actor is so uncannily gorgeous that you know you'll see him again. Examples: Antonio Banderas in Philadelphia, Brad Pitt in A River Runs Through It.


For me, it was Jude Law in a still photo some years ago. I haven't seen Twilight, and got somewhat turned off of Pattinson when he admitted in an interview that he hadn't washed his hair for six weeks. Ick.

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Befade
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That's what I mean, Nancy........I don't need to know or see more about Robert P. He dazzles in Twilight. Jude Law stood out for me in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

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I have to add this in view of the recent talk about Netflix.

Of all the online firms with which I have done business, none comes close to the class and professionalism of Netflix. Not only do they do the job they offer with unparalleled expertise, but when you get them on the phone--and yes, believe it or not, they answer the phone with a real person, not voice mail hell--they are unfailingly polite and even charming. It's an oasis in the desert of today's telephone manners.
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