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| billyweeds |
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Trish wrote: billyweeds wrote: Trish wrote:
what are your theories?
Got none. But interested in yours. SPOILER
I thought Josh just killed him because he was an out-and-out son of a bitch who killed people Josh loved. But maybe Josh was a Michael Corleone in the making. You may be right.
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I knew why Josh killed him (although I wouldn't rule out the extra reason - power in the family and more importantly -the only way to stay alive - as neither his family nor the cops were going to protect him) - he killed his girlfriend. I was just considering if his other brother (whom he intimidated and messed up his life) and mother (who could sense his failing mental health) were in cahoots with Josh.
A really interesting point which makes me want to revisit the whole movie. Will probably do so soon. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:46 am |
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marantzo wrote: Whiskey, I don't get it.  |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:41 am |
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Was there an inflated shark in the movie? And for sure there a number of scenes I don't recall in the movie, but I definitely remember the overall psychological theme of the movie which was well done but bored and annoyed me no end. Would have been better at around 45 minutes and if (whited out) they threw the guy off the boat and went on their not so merry way.  That I would have liked. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:42 am |
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marantzo wrote: Was there an inflated shark in the movie? And for sure there a number of scenes I don't recall in the movie, but I definitely remember the overall psychological theme of the movie which was well done but bored and annoyed me no end. Would have been better at around 45 minutes and if (whited out) they threw the guy off the boat and went on their not so merry way. That I would have liked. |
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| Shane |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:46 am |
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| Has anyone noticed the amount of 'dead' people wandering through movies talking, helping and just generally chewing up the scenery?? Just in the past few days, its been 'Dead Man's Shoes' with the brother bringing up old times, 'Edge of Darkness' with the daughter switching between a sweet memory of seven to an adult insisting her dad finish her task, 'Lovely Bones'....this is something I've not paid much mind until this minute and I think it may be a nominee for a sub-genre or something, what say you all?? |
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| marantzo |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:00 am |
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| At least the dead people advising etc. is far more tolerable than the host of films with children (and sometimes adults) inhabited by demons. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:45 am |
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marantzo wrote: At least the dead people advising etc. is far more tolerable than the host of films with children (and sometimes adults) inhabited by demons.
...or ghosts who don't know they are... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:34 pm |
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Seems like both tv and film have upped the dead census -- shows like Medium and Ghost Whisperer were pretty successful. And so often, the effect is cloying, as in The Lovely Bones. Or just perverse, as in that thing with David Duchovny and his daughter is possessed by her mother.
As for the clueless dead, that worked in The Sixth Sense, but then got overworked. It always had basic problems (like, you haven't noticed that you never need to take a crap or eat?) that required the character to have a very narrow focus on some burning issue, so in that sense it made the writer's job easier. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:07 pm |
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bartist wrote: Seems like both tv and film have upped the dead census -- shows like Medium and Ghost Whisperer were pretty successful. And so often, the effect is cloying, as in The Lovely Bones. Or just perverse, as in that thing with David Duchovny and his daughter is possessed by her mother.
As for the clueless dead, that worked in The Sixth Sense, but then got overworked. It always had basic problems (like, you haven't noticed that you never need to take a crap or eat?) that required the character to have a very narrow focus on some burning issue, so in that sense it made the writer's job easier.
Well put. The Others was a good take on that idea. Sort of a variation of 'The Turning of the Screw". Gave a little more juice. There's another one recently seen...The Innocents. |
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Shane wrote: marantzo wrote: At least the dead people advising etc. is far more tolerable than the host of films with children (and sometimes adults) inhabited by demons.
...or ghosts who don't know they are...
There are movies with angels advising people, too. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:22 pm |
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Yeah, I'd rank The Innocents (assuming you mean the sixties classic with Deborah Kerr) well above The Others -- mos def have to see that one again. As I recall, that's a fairly direct adaptation of TTOTS.
Gary: anyone who has been a parent (especially, of a teenager) is going to find the theme of children inhabited by demons to be familiar. I think I heard...have the vaguest wisp of memory....that The Exorcist is being released again. |
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| For a filmmaker, I can see the attraction of using the ghost or avatar of a dead person to help convey the angst and internal dialogue of a protagonist. Having your hero talk to themself or just furrow his brow and look intense in a best Nic Cage stylee is the cinematic equivalent of seeing someone at the mall being expansive on a hands free phone; disconcerting. |
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| Which reminds me that "Hamlet" was one of the first in the genre. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:24 pm |
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The Innocents is the best version of The Turn of the Screw that is ever likely to be filmed. Deborah Kerr gives the best performance of her illustrious career as the sexually obsessed (in this version) governess. It's pretty clear, thanks to Kerr and director Jack Clayton, that the ghosts are figments of her fevered imagination. Often the adaptors try to play it more ambiguous and just come up with blandness.
Need I add that Kerr, nominated over and over for lesser performances, remained nodless for The Innocents? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:38 pm |
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carrobin wrote: Which reminds me that "Hamlet" was one of the first in the genre. |
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