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| marantzo |
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:49 pm |
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Just coincidentally, I was at the movies today and there was a preview of an upcoming movie where a young girl is inhabited by some dead person who wants revenge. Gore and ugliness all over the place. Talk about repetition!!!!!!
I also saw a preview of The Kids Are All Right. It really looked like something I didn't want to see. Ugly people doing stupid things. Oh well.
IIRC there has been nothing but good reviews on here and in other places. I don't know, maybe I like my lesbians good looking and well dressed. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:27 pm |
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billyweeds wrote: The Innocents is the best version of The Turn of the Screw that is ever likely to be filmed. Deborah Kerr gives the best performance of her illustrious career as the sexually obsessed (in this version) governess. It's pretty clear, thanks to Kerr and director Jack Clayton, that the ghosts are figments of her fevered imagination. Often the adaptors try to play it more ambiguous and just come up with blandness.
Need I add that Kerr, nominated over and over for lesser performances, remained nodless for The Innocents?
I don't think it's a great movie, but I think it is the best version made. They are far too heavy-handed with the Freudian interpretation. I've come to the conclusion that Deborah Kerr is not a good actress, in fact a stiff and mannered one, but that because she's mannered in a particular way, it works for the period-piece movies she's best remembered for. I think she always rattles off her lines artificially. |
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| yambu |
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:54 pm |
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| I should see the movie, but I can never think of Kerr as a sexual siren. That is my main problem with the great "From Here To Eternity" and the far less great "Our Love Affair". To me she will always be Anna of Siam, in debilitating hoops. |
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| Ghulam |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:13 am |
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Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work is a fairly enjoyable documentary. It may have been a lot more fun in a crowded theater.
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:29 am |
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| I've heard it's a good and amazingly naked look at the star. She shows how hard she still works to get a gig anywhere she can. Fairly courageous, even is self-exploitative at the same time. |
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| Ghulam |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:26 am |
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Joe Vitus wrote: I've heard it's a good and amazingly naked look at the star. She shows how hard she still works to get a gig anywhere she can. Fairly courageous, even is self-exploitative at the same time.
That' true.
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| marantzo |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:15 am |
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| I saw an interview with Joan Rivers a while ago and she was as straight forward and open as one can imagine. You have to admire her candour. No BS and no self promotion. |
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| whiskeypriest |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:31 am |
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Ghulam wrote: Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work is a fairly enjoyable documentary. It may have been a lot more fun in a crowded theater.
. So is shouting "fire!" I'm not doing that, either. |
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| Shane |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:49 am |
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marantzo wrote: Just coincidentally, I was at the movies today and there was a preview of an upcoming movie where a young girl is inhabited by some dead person who wants revenge. Gore and ugliness all over the place. Talk about repetition!!!!!!
I also saw a preview of The Kids Are All Right. It really looked like something I didn't want to see. Ugly people doing stupid things. Oh well.
IIRC there has been nothing but good reviews on here and in other places. I don't know, maybe I like my lesbians good looking and well dressed.
Check out Marilyns review of 'The Kids...' she scathed it. We agreed tht they are trying to Disnefy Lesibans and their lives... |
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| bartist |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:51 am |
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| Jeremy makes a point about the use of the ghost to bring out interior workings of a living character. I think the chat started because Shane was questioning its use, not as a dramatic device (an ancient and venerable one, as discussed above), but as a literal supernatural occurrence, and one in which ghosts are given all kinds of ridiculous abilities. This annoys me, when ghosts, which are purported to be nonphysical entities, somehow manage to blow papers all around the room, rifle drawers, shatter windows, start fires, fry laptops, and drag off the Thanksgiving turkey thus cruelly implicating an innocent dog. (OK, I made that last one up, but I expect it at any time) Ghost were once confined to conveying a chill or making bumping noises, and it was left ambiguous as to the reality of said chills and bumps. |
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| carrobin |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:55 am |
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| Nevertheless, ever since I was a kid I've been disappointed and annoyed whenever a ghost in a movie or a book turned out not to be a ghost at all. (Unless it was something worse, like a zombie or something.) |
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| billyweeds |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:02 am |
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yambu wrote: I should see the movie, but I can never think of Kerr as a sexual siren. That is my main problem with the great "From Here To Eternity" and the far less great "Our Love Affair". To me she will always be Anna of Siam, in debilitating hoops.
Kerr in From Here to Eternity was a disaster in every way. She had no sexual chemistry with Lancaster, and her American accent is one of the worst on record. I happen to like Kerr a whole lot, but in FHTE she was pure amateur.
Of course, she was nominated for the Oscar.
From Here to Eternity is one of the prime exhibits in the Lousy Movies Win Oscars case. |
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:28 am |
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bartist wrote: Jeremy makes a point about the use of the ghost to bring out interior workings of a living character. I think the chat started because Shane was questioning its use, not as a dramatic device (an ancient and venerable one, as discussed above), but as a literal supernatural occurrence, and one in which ghosts are given all kinds of ridiculous abilities. This annoys me, when ghosts, which are purported to be nonphysical entities, somehow manage to blow papers all around the room, rifle drawers, shatter windows, start fires, fry laptops, and drag off the Thanksgiving turkey thus cruelly implicating an innocent dog. (OK, I made that last one up, but I expect it at any time) Ghost were once confined to conveying a chill or making bumping noises, and it was left ambiguous as to the reality of said chills and bumps. You know what is interesting about ghosts? It's what I call the law of spectral verticality, now available in Ebert's Little Movie Glossary as the Law of Special [sic] Verticality: Movie ghosts pass through walls, whether they want to or not, regardless of what the walls are made of. They never, however, fall through floors. |
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| marantzo |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:40 am |
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I wouldn't call From Here To Eternity lousy, but it is way overrated and the scene with Lancaster and Clift, drunk and sitting outside one night discussing this and that was not only bad dialogue and silly, it was possibly the worst acting either of them had done.
Shane, give me a link to Marilyn's review. |
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| Joe Vitus |
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:48 am |
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billyweeds wrote: yambu wrote: I should see the movie, but I can never think of Kerr as a sexual siren. That is my main problem with the great "From Here To Eternity" and the far less great "Our Love Affair". To me she will always be Anna of Siam, in debilitating hoops.
Kerr in From Here to Eternity was a disaster in every way. She had no sexual chemistry with Lancaster, and her American accent is one of the worst on record. I happen to like Kerr a whole lot, but in FHTE she was pure amateur.
Of course, she was nominated for the Oscar.
From Here to Eternity is one of the prime exhibits in the Lousy Movies Win Oscars case.
I would hardly call the movie lousy, but I'd describe it more as a competent, engaging story than any kind of masterpiece. Though for people bothered by "art," the straightforward manner and the amount of time we spend watching these people go through some pretty serious stuff, probably helps rather than hurts its reputation among average moviegoers. (For the record, I think Donna Reed is just as unconvincing as Kerr.) |
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