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| bartist |
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whiskeypriest wrote: I do not like or dislike violent movies. Depnds on the movie. But I heartly loathe being told that if I consider myself a movie person I must see some movie. I see what I choose to see, fuck you very much.
not sure if knox was serious by that remark or just swept away by his viewing experience and went hyperbolic?
Best to ignore the must-see adjective.
Agree that shrink terms may not neatly fit Jake G. in Ncrawler. In some ways, he has the narcissism and low empathy often associated with psychopathy, with some other loose screws and a pinch of autism most evident in his speeches about sound business models nd such. |
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| knox |
| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:11 pm |
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W. Priest - I pm'd you. It's friendly.
And for the record: not a believer in must see. It was just an overblown way to heap praise and kudos. |
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| whiskeypriest |
| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:41 pm |
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knox wrote: W. Priest - I pm'd you. It's friendly.
And for the record: not a believer in must see. It was just an overblown way to heap praise and kudos.
There are no must see movies. Except A Separation and Au hasard Balthazar. You have not seen them, you have not seen anything. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:25 am |
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Must See Films:
Citizen Kane
Wizard of Oz
Casablanca
The Third Man
Dr. Strangelove
La Jetee
Annie Hall
Raise the Red Lantern
A Fellini -- I'd say 8.5, but I Vitteloni would do
A Renoir -- for me The Crime of M. Lange
A Lang -- I used to think M, but Metroplois or a Dr. Mabuse would do, or even Fury
A Hitchcock -- I'd go Strangers on a Train, but Psycho or a few others would do
An Ozu -- I prefer There Was a Father, but most say Tokyo Story
A Chaplin -- Modern Times or Gold Rush
A Bergman -- Virgin Spring, or Persona, etc.
A DeSica -- Bicycle Thief, Two Women, Umberto D
A Silent Film -- Modern Times, The General, The Crowd
A Film Noir -- Kiss Me Deadly, Out of the Past, etc.
A Documentary -- Nanook, Hoops Dreams, a Michael Moore film, Capturing the Friedmans, etc
Animation -- Im open to suggestions (I first thought of Adventures of Prince Achmed, and Wallace & Gromit a Grand Day Out)
Then it gets mushier, like a representative: French film, a comedy, a screwball comedy, a Western, action film, blockbuster etc.
I do think there are some films that are so classic and iconic and referenced that everybody interested in film should see them. IE most of the above.
I also think there are certain films that either capture an era so well or are so influential that they should be seen. Many of the above, plus 2001 Space Odyssey, Do The Right Thing, Pulp Fiction, maybe Blue Velvet, Memento, possibly even Titanic. I don't particularly like Pulp Fiction, but it certainly became a cultural reference point and imitated. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:47 am |
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| My must-see movies include five Hitchcocks (Rear Window, Psycho, Vertigo, Strangers on a Train, North by Northwest), two Wilders (The Apartment, Sunset Blvd.), The Godfather (just the original), Singin' in the Rain, Casablanca, A Separation, Wild Strawberries, The 400 Blows, Boyhood, Boogie Nights, and a couple more, which (time will tell) might include...wait for it...Nightcrawler. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:45 am |
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Yeah, I forgot about The Godfather, even if it isn't one of my faves.
Sunset Blvd is close -- could be the film noir choice. Or make it on its own
If someone wanted to argue for a Kurosawa, Satyajit Ray or Scorsese, they could probably make a strong case ... |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:32 am |
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My Chaplin would be (only) City Lights. Keatons would be The General (duh) and Steamboat Bill, Jr.* (egregiously underrated by most but venerated by a few including me).
* It's awful to be an anally retentive proofreader. Some sources include the comma, some don't. I'm going with the comma. But NOBODY CARES. (Except maybe carrobin.) |
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| bartist |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:34 am |
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25th Hour was terrific and no one puts it on a list. So I will.
You must see it, or you are a degenerate piece of subhuman drain clog.
Seriously, I like b oth your lists. There should be a Kurosawa in there.
comedy is tough, because it's so subjective and based in cultural references, which raises the uestion, is there a universal one size fits all comedy? Billy Wilder might have come closest. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:00 am |
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Can't bring myself to include a Kurosawa, but must add The Thin Blue Line by Errol Morris, my favorite documentary of all and one of my favorite films of any genre.
OTOH, Malick's The Thin Red Line is on my "worst movies" list. |
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| billyweeds |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:04 am |
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Taking the liberty of copying this from Marc from Facebook.I haven't seen this movie yet, but since I haven't liked any of Christopher Nolan's films to date (and, yes, I'm including the almost-universally-adored Memento), and since Inception rides high on my Worst Movies of All Time list, I'm willing to give Marc's vitriol the benefit of the doubt.
"Interstellar" is long, boring and totally devoid of the magic it so desperately wants to generate. It may have the sheen of a Hollywood epic but it's as lifeless as those lacquered ducks you see hanging in the windows of Chinese grocery stores. I absolutely hated every minute of it. Christopher Nolan is a hack who has somehow convinced people he's a serious artist by making movies that mistake pretense and humorlessness for depth and profundity. "Interstellar" is a Spielberg flick without any sense of awe, playfulness or humanity. It makes space travel about as exciting as being stuck in traffic on the Long Island Expressway. It's as earthbound as those poor Peking ducks. And despite being shot on 70mm film it lacks any distinctive visual character. The audience here in Austin that I saw it with didn't even bother to applaud at the end. And boy was the movie trying hard to touch all the right emotional buttons. But it just didn't connect. It was like getting a hand job from a toilet plunger. I predict it will sputter out at the boxoffice as word-of-mouth will be mostly negative. |
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| gromit |
| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:08 am |
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My comedy choices would be:
Monty Python & the Holy Grail
Being John Malkovich
Raising Arizona
Sullivan's Travels
Annie Hall if it weren't already on my list of must-sees
Same with Dr. Strangelove which fills the need for a black comedy
For Kurosawa, I have the same problem I have with Renoir and Ozu.
I'm rather indifferent to their widely held masterpieces, but I'm a big fan of Renoir's The Crime of Mr. Lange; Ozu's There Was A Father; and Kurosawa's Stray Dog.
There are of course other films I love and would rec to everybody, but have trouble deeming them essential viewing for everyone. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest; Two Women; Night of the Hunter; A Face in the Crowd; Ace in the Hole; In a Lonely Place; Werckmeister Harmonies; L'Atalante; The Shop on Main Street, etc. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:13 am |
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billyweeds wrote: My Chaplin would be (only) City Lights. Keatons would be The General (duh) and Steamboat Bill, Jr.* (egregiously underrated by most but venerated by a few including me).
* It's awful to be an anally retentive proofreader. Some sources include the comma, some don't. I'm going with the comma. But NOBODY CARES. (Except maybe carrobin.)
I don't care, but thanks for the information--it could be helpful if the film ever comes up in copy I'm working on. Which isn't likely, these days. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:48 am |
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billyweeds wrote: My Chaplin would be (only) City Lights. Keatons would be The General (duh) and Steamboat Bill, Jr.* (egregiously underrated by most but venerated by a few including me).
* It's awful to be an anally retentive proofreader. Some sources include the comma, some don't. I'm going with the comma. But NOBODY CARES. (Except maybe carrobin.) |
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carrobin wrote: billyweeds wrote: My Chaplin would be (only) City Lights. Keatons would be The General (duh) and Steamboat Bill, Jr.* (egregiously underrated by most but venerated by a few including me).
* It's awful to be an anally retentive proofreader. Some sources include the comma, some don't. I'm going with the comma. But NOBODY CARES. (Except maybe carrobin.)
I don't care, but thanks for the information--it could be helpful if the film ever comes up in copy I'm working on. Which isn't likely, these days.
The only source that counts is the credits on screen, which are sometimes weird* but ALWAYS the only correct source.
Sunset Blvd. (not "Boulevard")
Mulholland Dr. (not "Drive")
the birdcage (not "The Birdcage")
Careful Soft Shoulder (not "Careful, Soft Shoulders") (Who knows that movie anyway?) |
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| And of course, there are the Warner Bros., who don't want to be called brothers. |
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