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lady wakasa

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:46 am

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 5911 Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon

bart wrote:

Bruce Willis could spend five minutes in the past, and he would never return to the future from whence he came. In fact, his mere presence would insure that he would wink out of existence and be somewhere else with different memories.

But it happened in "all" times (Bruce Willis comes across himself as a kid, if I'm remembering correctly), so the future doesn't change. It was always true that he showed up in 1990/6. That I thought was actually consistent (unlike the silly Star Trek episode, but don't get me started about that, not a big ST fan).

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gromit

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:43 am

Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 9016 Location: Shanghai

Well, WHAT ABOUT A 90's FORUM?

Unless somebody else is up next for a specialty forum.
Seems like the Western Forum never got a new sheriff.

So time for a new specialty.

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bart

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:47 am

Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 2381 Location: Lincoln NE

See, that's the problem. You have to believe that all time travel was destined to happen and that, in fact, no time traveler has any choice as to his actions -- the traveler is, in fact, only completing a time "loop" in effect. The catch is, you wouldn't have to ever think or make choices, since the laws of physics would force your body to do exactly the right things to affect the previous time period so that everything happens just in such a way that you will travel through time and...etc. You might think, "OK, I'm going to piss on this rosebush, just to screw with spacetime," but your body would move rigidly past the rosebush, completely unable to act in any way other than is already destined.

Let me give a concrete example: a man with a time machine travels back in time to kill his grandfather because he feels his life was a waste and that his parents were horrible people, and he hasn't got the guts to just shoot himself. He has a gun and he knows where the grandfather lives. He arrives at grandpa's house in, say, 1947, sees grandpa in the garden, raises the gun and shoots and....suddenly winks out of existence. As do various other people, in the future, along with a bunch of other changes. Now, since this is diferent future, one where Grandpa Joe Smith died young, there is no time traveler going back to the past with a gun to shoot....but wait, if there's no time traveler to shoot Grandpa, then he didn't die young, so now the future is back to where it was, which means that the time traveler can go back and shoot....

OK, my point is that the past is determined. It HAS happened, and its fixed nature is the reason that you continue to exist as who you are. You might be able to go back as an invisible spook or something and get to watch the Battle of Hastings, but you wouldn't be seen or in any way affect the events.

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billyweeds

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:47 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 20618 Location: New York City

I love the idea of a 90s forum.

Trish

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:28 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2438 Location: Massachusetts

Are the 90s really a definable decade in film?

Joe Vitus

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston

Okay, I want someone really articulate to tackle that one. And though I know the answer, I know other people can express it better.

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Trish

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:37 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2438 Location: Massachusetts

From a business point of view or artistically?

Trish

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:38 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2438 Location: Massachusetts

well I suppose some of the major points might be about the whole Sundance, Independent Film explosion, Perhaps the Disney Resurgence (with Beauty and the Beast being nominated fopr Oscar etc) and the Animation movement, the technical advances - in computer graphics and special effects

but beyond that was there an artistic theme (s)?

Marc

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:43 pm

Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 8424

the '90s may be as important a decade cinematically as the '70s.

Lets take this over to the western forum.

lady wakasa

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 5911 Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon

Yeah, bart, but who's to say he goes back and shoots him? What if he goes back and the gun doesn't fire? Or it misfires and kills him? Or grandma actually had had an affair with somebody else so that Grandpa Joe wasn't really your grandpa anyway?

I think we're actually agreeing, that the post would have to be determined - although I also think that if someone could really pull off a credible explanation of how the past can change, I'd be willing to buy it. But that's really, really hard to do.

As far as 12 Monkeys (and my limited understanding of La Jetee, which I'm probably going to watch tonight) goes, I don't think they were really changing the past, more trying to figure out what had happened so they could address it in their own time.

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Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:20 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

I agree with Marc.

The two most influential periods of American movie making for me are 1969-1980 and 1989-1999.

Basically, Midnight Cowboy and Easy Rider to Raging Bull, and Do the Right Thing to Three Kings and Fight Club.

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Trish

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:27 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2438 Location: Massachusetts

Mr. Brownstone wrote:

I certainly wasn't suggesting there weren't great movies during the 90s - I was just throwing the question out there - it seems like the 90s were just here - but the ote I think about it - yes especially from a business point of view there were vast changes to Film during the 90s - and like I mentioned - the Independent Film movement, Animation and Disney, Computer Graphis, spec Effects - then the Video and DVDs and Large TVs (although that more this decade) etc

Shouldn't we start another forum instaed of adding to the Westerns Forum, however

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Joe Vitus

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:28 pm

Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 14498 Location: Houston

Trish,

The movies of this decade are distinct for both their out-of-the-mainstream qualities and the ironic humor that pervades them. This was the era of the slacker, and Gen X, of MAs working at McDonalds, and very well educated people working lousy jobs and being told they were idiots because the register counted the change for them. There was a strong appetite for verbal comedy and rapid wit, soaked in a lighter-or-darker nihilism; a sensibility best summed up as sardonic. There was also a strong appetite for violence, but an ironic violence: one that knew the scenarios were unreal, and did not wish them to be real, but entered into them wholeheartedly with all the enthusiasm of making it to the top level of a Playstation game. And while movie homages are hardly new to this decade, there was a greater sense of playing with the audience's awareness of its pop culture past than had been seen since the French New Wave.

In short, the 90's are as distinct in tone and perspective as any period in the history of film. You could not watch a movie from that time and fail to recognize it as such.

God, yes, the decade was definable.

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Trish

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:31 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2438 Location: Massachusetts

and of course the increasing use of "the big Twist" - ever since the film The Crying Game

and the Teen Horror film resurgence

Mr. Brownstone

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:34 pm

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2450

Also, the maturation of the House Party franchise.

My favorite is Part III:

"First off, you need back the fuck up and go gargle. Funky."

"Yo, my name is Stinky, man. Stinky."

"Man, your name is Funky. 'Cause you come up here smellin' like buttcrack."

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